Monday, January 31, 2011

Argument, Rebuttal, My Comments

Ms. Sharon Yarber wrote what could have been the Argument Against Measure C, the Rancho Palos Verdes Charter City Measure up for a vote by the electorate on March 8, 2011.

For reasons I do not know, that argument against the measure was not published in the official voter election guide and the sample ballot.

Mayor Tom Long placed Ms. Yarber's argument on his site and I talked with him about publishing it on this blog.

I think it is fair to publish what would have been the 'official' argument against Measure C so that folks can learn that opponents of Measure C have opinions that should be read.

After Ms. Yarber's comments, I have posted Tom Long's 'Rebuttal Argument of the Argument Against Measure C' as I feel it should actually be termed.

I have not used Mr. Long's response as coming from an 'official' representative of the Yes on C Campaign and as our city's current Mayor.

I doubt Mr. Long's response would be any different had it been approved by other members of the Yes on C group, but as it is not endorsed by them, I don't think it is fair to consider Mr. Long's response as more than coming from one of the architect's of Measure C and one of the author's of the Charter now under consideration.



ARGUMENT AGAINST RPV MEASURE C
(by Sharon Yarber)

The “Argument FOR” states that voters are being asked to choose to become a charter city. That is misleading and WRONG. Actually, voters are being asked to adopt THE proposed charter, a constitution if you will, put together by City Hall with virtually no resident input. The proposed charter transfers power from RESIDENTS to the COUNCIL and creates tremendous opportunity for abuse.

A city’s constitution should not be on a March ballot with historically low voter turn out. A major change in the way we are governed deserves adequate time for community input and debate.

If passed, just THREE Council members could enact ordinances that:

  • abolish citywide elections and create voting districts subject to gerrymandering,
  • make it more difficult to vote on initiatives, recalls and referendums,
  • effectively control future elections by changing candidate qualifications (e.g.requiring minimum prior service on City Commissions or Committees. Who selects Commissioners and Committee members? The Council), and
  • impose a real property transfer tax (subject to voter approval).

The proposed charter could trample on YOUR VOTING RIGHTS! And it would permit adoption of ordinances, including election ordinances, with just one public reading, instead of two, further reducing resident awareness and input.

Charter cities have broader powers over public PARKLAND.

THIS CHARTER IS A TROJAN HORSE. It is NOT about saving money by eliminating prevailing wages. That’s the hook! Measure C is about grabbing control of the City and changing our election laws! Every identified “benefit” and cost savings can be achieved with a GOOD charter.

There are many risks to adopting this bad charter. There is NO risk to voting NO, then working together to create and vote on a good charter!

MARCH 8TH VOTE NO ON MEASURE C


Now, here is Mr. Long's response:

RESPONSE TO ARGUMENT AGAINST MEASURE C

by Mayor Tom Long


No RPV councilmembers have ever supported election by districts. Nor would a charter allow the council to make significant changes in the way initiatives are handled. Nor could the city give away city land as falsely implied above. The opposition to Measure C cannot point to a single charter city where the voters have been disenfranchised or the parklands have been given away in the manner described by opponents of Measure C. As a charter city, ordinances would continue to be adopted only after full public hearings with redundant second readings on consent calendars eliminated only if the council chooses to do so.


Any city charter must transfer powers from Sacramento to the city council in order to achieve the purpose of advancing local control. The opposition’s quest for a charter that protects the city from Sacramento but places no trust in the city’s councilmembers is a quest to find a myth.


A Yes vote would:


  • Give the city its own constitution that cannot be re-written at the whim of Sacramento legislators

  • Save RPV millions of dollars by allowing design-build contracting and allowing the city to set its own wage requirements for public works projects rather than accepting Sacramento’s so-called “prevailing wage” requirements.

  • Protect city assets by forbidding gifts of public assets and continuing restrictions that exist now on councilmember salaries.

  • Continue protecting city lands because deed restrictions and easements that dictate the use of Lower Point Vicente and other city parklands will be unaffected by a change to a charter city.

  • Publish city employee compensation, helping to avoid abuses that have occurred elsewhere in both general law and charter cities.

  • Insure that city land use is consistent with the general plan.

  • Provide additional protection for local revenues such as the tax on Terranea hotel rooms that is now 10% of the city’s budget. (One state legislator promised us that Sacramento is looking to take from cities “anything that is not nailed down.”)


A No vote would:


  • Delay or permanently prevent the adoption of a charter, costing the city millions of dollars by denying it more flexibility in contracting. (The City of Oceanside saved one million dollars in its first three months of being a charter city).

  • Encourage special interest groups to demand their own pet provisions in any future charter that may be proposed making the passage of a charter that is in the best interests of the city as a whole difficult or impossible.

  • Leave the city exposed to the whims of legislators in Sacramento who do not have the time or inclination to understand local issues.


VOTE YES ON “C” MARCH 8th


Both sides do have points I have found important and worthy of more discussion.


There are some things I really do not like about Measure C, but I did learn that both supporters and most opponents of Measure C feel that Rancho Palos Verdes moving from a General Law city to a charter city is not necessarily a bad idea.


Organized opponents want you to know that there is great opposition to the charter written for this vote with Measure C.


You also need to know that should the voters decide to have our city become a charter city, one of the first things the City Council will probably do with the new authority provided to charter cities is have full exemption of prevailing wage guidelines put into place.


It is a big deal for many supporters, but if you look at the facts and figures, it really is not a big deal to the majority of current charter cities and there is a lawsuit under review with the California State Supreme Court that could moot partial and full exemptions to prevailing wage guidelines.


California has 120 of its 481 incorporated cities being charter cities.


Of those 120 charter cities, 58% of them have no exemption from prevailing wage guidelines/


37 of the charter cities in California, have full exemptions with 13 more having only partial exemptions.


In Los Angeles County, there are 88 incorporated cities.


Of those 88, only 19 are charter cities.


Of the 19 charter cities, one has a partial exemption while just three more have full exemptions.


Supporters seem to still use exemptions to prevailing wage guidelines as a very important way to save money.


They will also tell you that two or our neighbors, Torrance and Redondo Beach are charter cities.


What I feel you need to know is that both of those cities have had their leaders choose to keep prevailing wage guidelines as they were and are.


Since the city of Vista still has a lawsuit regarding its having prevailing wage guidelines exemptions still under consideration, should the State Supreme Court rule against Vista's interests, it appears that all of the cities with partial or full exemptions from prevailing wage guidelines would have to return to having no exemptions from the guidelines.


Since I feel that higher local wages provide opportunities for workers to spend more money locally, I continue to support having prevailing wage guidelines remain in place. It seems the majority of the leaders in charter cities agree with me.


There are at least two areas where I strongly support what a charter city has the opportunity to do that general law cities can't necessarily do.


"Design and build" is a term used when one firm is contracted to both design a project and then follow through with the project's constructions.


There are firms that can do both large parts of a project, yet they may not be allowed to bid and get approval to do both elements of a project.


Supporters believe as I do that should we as a charter city seek bids for projects where bidding firms have both design and build capabilities AND it makes plain and clear proposals that allow money savings because one firm does both pieces, that is a good thing for a city and its taxpayers.


What a charter city is allowed to do is seek bids for projects but NOT NECESSARILY be required to use the lowest bid.


A charter city could find that a more costly firm that provides better quality and service, would be allowed the projects even though that firm's bid is not the lowest.


There COULD be problems with this if transparency is not practiced to the fullest, but with this current City Council makeup, I have no problems in this regard.


The current City Council, along with our city's attorney believe that using monies for municipal affairs protects the money from being taken back from the city, better than what is happening now.


A charter city has the rights and opportunity to move certain monies into accounts for municipal affairs and that standing would provide more leverage if and when the State of Federal Government want to take monies from the city.


The best cases revolve around protecting the Transitory Occupancy Tax (TOT) and Redevelopment Agency funds.


Earlier court decisions have determined that TOT funds can be used in municipal affairs funding.


What is so important about this? We have two businesses in Rancho Palos Verdes that I know of that collect TOT revenue that is provided to our city.


One is the Value Inn along Western Avenue. The TOT is a 10% tax on the price of a room there.


I heard recently that a room rate at the Value Inn has shrunk to $45.00 per night. The TOT for that would be $4.50 that the city would get.


Not much! That is true. But then again, please consider room rates and number of rooms at the other business where TOT applies.


Terranea.


Terranea provides $2 Million Dollars in TOT revenue to our city and protecting that from being taken away from our city is a strong reason for supporting Measure C.


Los Angeles is a charter city. Recently to protect their "CRA"- Community Redevelopment Agency money, they moved the funds to a more protected set of accounts.


In Rancho Palos Verdes we have the "RDA" or Redevelopment Agency which has some similarities to Los Angeles' CRA. Protecting our RDA is also important, I feel.


Now about any association with Marymount College.


Marymount's President, Dr. Michael Brophy wrote an Email to supporters of Measure C, including our city's leaders and staff.


His Email stated that Marymount College does not support or oppose passage of Measure C and the College takes no position on the ballot measure.


Dr. Brophy is being truthful about this point. Marymount College neither endorses or opposes Measure C.


Dr. Brophy is a resident of the city of Rancho Palos Verdes. Dr. Susan Soldoff, another member of the Board of Trustees of Marymount College is also a resident of the city of Rancho Palos Verdes.


Both of them, along with other Marymount Trustees who are and are not residents of Rancho Palos Verdes must have their rights to fund any election they see fit as individual residents of R.P.V., just like the rest of us.


Might there be a hidden agenda for why any number of Marymount Trustees are also opponents of Measure C? I feel there is, but that should not mean they should not be allowed, as residents, contributing to a measure according to their own beliefs.


Some supporters are wondering or have their own answers as to why Marymount Trustees/R.P.V. residents are spending money and opposing Measure C.


I don't have any answer other than my own for this and I am not willing to reveal that right now.


I was very intrigued to hear Mr. Paul Tretault state at tonight's Charter City Committee meeting that the campaign has, so far, been reasonable, proper, and have so few foul issues flying around.


Either Paul is blind and deaf, or he is just playing nice, I feel.


For some supporters and opponents there really some shame that should be applied, I strongly feel. They know who they are and I not going to 'rat' them out right now.


Unfortunately there are parts of this campaign that bring back some really foul memories regarding a ballot measure that was decided last November.


On the surface and to most folks who really wish to learn the truths about Measure C, the vast majority of those 'in the know' have played nice. It is under the surface that, thankfully, few of our residents know about, that some fairly bad things are happening.


I did write a private Email to one supporter and one opponent, both very prominent on their respective sides, to play nice.


Everyone played nice at the meeting on Monday evening and I challenge everyone on all sides to play nice.



4 comments:

  1. All that has to be said about measure C is the following quote from the Ralph M. Brown Act:
    “The people of this state do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them.
    The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide
    what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people
    insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.”

    It would be difficult to find a more appropriate passage as relates to our City Council.
    They have tried to hide the consequences of Measure C from the beginning. To this day they still
    will not give facts about the supposed millions to be saved by eliminating prevailing wages.
    I challenge them to pick a project, any project, and give the details as to how much could be saved.

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  2. Thank you Ed, for your comment.

    I think when you read my newest post, you will see that I tend to agree with you.

    I did speak at a C.C. meeting where I challenged supporters and opponents to use a published set of figures to use on a common project.

    The San Ramon project will be required to use prevailing wage guidelines because there is more than one local government involved and it is hoped that some Federal dollars will provide at least half the funding.

    But using it as an example by both sides for hypothetical costs, is something I know our intelligent voters can grasp.

    I do know however, both sides are hiding some information, whether deliberate or not.

    I think you can agree though, when our City Council is unanimous in support of Measure C, they may not be all that willing to help out the No on C folks much, as is their right.

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  3. Your logic on this is seriously false. Just because the "good old boys" on the council are unanimous is no reason to believe them. I do not believe that when they say "it will save RPV millions" we must accept that statement at face value because they all say it. Where is the proof. Giving us the numbers is NOT as you put it aiding those against Prop C. It is infact demonstrating the integrity or lack therof of our CC. They made the claim, as anyone can do, but where are the numbers? They have a right to not help the Prop C opponents, but, they do not have any "right" to make unsubstantiated claims and not back them up with facts. You have a LOT more faith in the CC than a lot of people do. Three of them are lame ducks so what is the rush???

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  4. Ed, I'll have to look elsewhere to find where I agree with claims that becoming a charter city will save millions. Nobody know how much might be saved and I can allow that every time the charter is amended, it will cost taxpayers money for the ballot measure to amend a charter.

    After watching what happened because of a few individuals using the FOIA to gather documents they apparently had no intent on going forward with, I do have some discomfort with some entrenched members of the No on C group.

    I strongly believe that strong members of the Yes on C movement AND the No on C movement have hidden agendas.

    Unlike Measure P, The Marymount Plan initiative, I have not and do not state that others should vote for Measure C. I happen to support passage of the measure, flawed as it appears to me, so I have no firm ground to stand on to put a soapbox down and advise others to vote for the measure.

    One of the organized groups that opposes passage of Measure C is "Palos Verdes Peninsula Watch" or PVP Watch.

    After reading through their Web site and positions they have taken on a number of matters, it seems to me that the group is only concerned with condemning the Rancho Palos Verdes City Council, for a number of years and dealing with issues related to the School District.

    It is my opinion that the group should be named Rancho Palos Verdes Watch because the group rarely goes towards Councils of the three other cities and limits is dealings with what our city and the school district is doing.

    I guess I have more faith in our current City Council than the members of PVP Watch and others on the No on C campaign have.

    I feel the last 5 of 7 years in our city has seen more work done by our City Council towards the betterment of our residents than years earlier.

    The addition of Long, Stern, and Wolowicz changed the dynamics of the Council and they worked with Dr. Gardiner, when possible, and Clark to make infrastructure improvement long needed and more activity in our city by more residents.

    I was never a fan of the Storm Drain levy, but the matters involving PV on the Net clearly illustrated that there are certain residents in our City that feel they want to own the back room and be king makers, I feel.

    I do not know who will sit on our Council during the first meeting in December. I certainly support the candidacy of former Mayor Dyda. I am sure PVP Watch and supporters of The Marymount Plan will do their best to see others win seats, but I hope folks I support will prevail.

    Having Campbell and Misetich being joined by Dyda on the Council will help continue moves forward to get the San Ramon Canyon problems solved. This is the most important task this and a future Council needs to deal with.

    I also have faith that our residents who decide to run for City Council seats have the best interests of the residents of R.P.V. first and foremost in their minds and not special interests groups like Marymount College, Terranea, Trump, York, or other large business entities.

    Since we are a residential community, I want a Council that puts OUR residents first.

    One last thing. I opined during a televised C.C. meeting that both sides of Measure C have the opportunity to use published resources to make their own case about potential cost savings or lack thereof.

    Neither side has done so at this point so there is no reason have much faith in some of the claims made by the No on C organization.

    I did state something akin to 'put up or shut up' concerning prevailing wage guidelines. But I think it could be used for just about everything each side claims.

    Jim Jones makes a reasonable argument in his letter to the editor in today's DB, but I think his "too weak a factual foundation" can be made against both sides of the measure.

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